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Fall Creek Watershed Committee Minutes
January 4, 2001
Present: Kate Hackett, Joyce Gerbasi, Steve Lewandowski,
Dave Bouldin, Phil Koons, Sharon Anderson, Steve Penningroth, Ken
Woodman, Craig Schutt, Tim Patronski, Mary Hegarty, and Yvette deBoer.

Those present introduced themselves; Sharon Anderson distributed
the December minutes, three articles, the CLWN watershed issues
publication, and a FLLOWPA publication. She then introduced Steve
Lewandowski, guest speaker for the meeting.
Steve presented information about the Canandaigua Watershed Management
Plan including the following.
- The lake is 246 feet deep, 15 miles long, 1.25 miles wide across
lake and has a 13-year retention time.
- The lake drains south to north, and there is a city at the north
end of the lake.
- Data is necessary to help illustrate what to fix.
- 1989 to 1990 was dedicated to education people about basic watershed
concepts and the responsibilities of local governments.
- The watershed includes Ontario and Yates Counties, and 60 municipalities.
- Water is drinking water source both inside and outside of watershed
boundaries (Elmira & Newark).
- Established watershed-wide rules [state enabled under public
health law that allows additional consideration and legislation]
and regs which regulate septic systems.
Developed monitoring program, Steve recommended Biological Stream
Testing (1997) authored by NYS DEC as a resource. It provides basic
information about macroinvertebrates.
This was good exercise for teachers and students and promoted multi-generational
interaction throughout the community. Getting students involved
was also critical because they take the message home to their parents.
Steve noted that there was an annual training at Cornell for stream
sampling methods and biological assessment; Nancy Tauttman offered
it through the Education Department.
- About 20 sampling stations which captures about 75% of the drainage
(other 25% too small, along shore, or too steep).
- Both a lake sampling program and tributary program.
- 10 in-lake sampling sites: 3-4 deep sites for vertical sampling,
other run along a N - S orientation and are associated with major
tributaries.
- 3-4 years of data (sampling monthly & 6 storm events) to
get enough data to provide information about wet, dry, and average
years.
- Sites were later added to Naples Creek to measure major pollutants
(particularly sediment).
- Monitoring chloride, suspended solids, total phosphorous, fecal
coliform, and soluble reactive phosphorus.
In 1993, annual salt deicing survey was initiated to track mileage
in watershed, amount of salt applied, salt/mile/year (tons), average
total salt used, ratio of salt to sand used, how salt used, how
salt store, etc. Response was good.
- Average to lower than average salt used in area.
- Rochester uses 2 times as much salt to achieve dry roads in
all conditions (justified by commuting).
- Application occurred at higher than recommended speeds, spreading
salt beyond appropriate areas.
Steve presented three years of water quality data (1997 - 1999)
collected from within the watershed. Data was collected and analyzed
by SUNY Brockport. (In 1995, NY State passed law requiring that
water quality sampling data used for public had to be analyzed by
a state certified lab.) Fecal coliform analyzed by local wastewater
treatment ($20 - $25 per sample if contracted out).
Watershed management team then developed a monitoring program and
solicited proposals; costs about $40,000/year.
The baseline measurements include monthly samples and 6 storm events.
The storm event length was then determined to estimate loading from
storm event and from baseline conditions.
In 1994, they received a grant from Randy Kuhl to purchase an automated
gauge and sampler (Sigma sampler). Using this, a rating curve and
stream flow were calculated from data collected from 4/96 to 4/97.
Samples taken on Sucker Brook for about 1 year, then put on Naples
Creek.
- 6 sub watersheds contributed most contaminants (nitrate, nitrite,
sediment, chloride, phosphorous, etc.)
- Need more monitoring stations to get better understanding of
tributaries contributing most contamination.
- Sucker Brook contributing 70% more phosphorus than what was
in deepest part of lake
- Determine priorities (salt not as important as phosphorus)
- Give presentations to ag committee, watershed council, town
and city committees, general public
- Salt storage barn built to cover Canandaigua salt storage ($250K)
- Polluting dairy farm now in AEM program and doing nutrient management
plan for entire farm. Farm did not initially want to comply with
recommendations to reduce discharges because of exorbitant expenses.
Watershed management team got funding to assist farm.
Need to be careful about forcing people in economically unviable
situation. Farmers are big part of local landscapes and need to
find solution that works for them.
To begin a comprehensive plan for Cayuga Lake, Steve suggested
conducting a literature search for what has already been done. Gene
Likens conducted lakewide monitoring plan beginning 1970 or 1971
that gathered weekly (?) data but did not distinguish between storm
and baseline sampling. For a Fall Creek plan, choose parameters
to measure based on need and funding. Probably should start with
sediments and nutrients. Steve suggested about 20 sites for the
FC watershed.
Finally, Steve noted the municipal contributions to the Canadaguia
Lake Association are prorated and based on 7 factors. Municipal
contributions range from $130 to $3500 per municipality.
Craig Schutt reported that the EQIP working group met because Fall
Creek received $150,000 in funding for manure management. Storage
projects will be eligible. NRCS is taking applications now, will
then rank them, and forward them on to the state office by July
15, 2001.
Additionally, the FCWC Section 319 mini grant for a stream cleanup
was awarded.
The Town of Dryden Project Impact Coordinator is Matt Schulman.
He is looking at ways to prevent flood damage proactively. Project
Impact wants to be partner on the FCWC Great Lakes Sediment and
Erosion Control grant application. They can help provide publicity.
May 5th is stream cleanup, this is day before water week. Cornell
Roots & Shoots will also help. Sharon will send out letter to
all partners about status of grant.
Joyce and Deb met with the WRC Grants Committee to help coordinate
GLC sediment and erosion control grant application. It is due 1/17/01.
Deb will get letters of support from Linda Wagenet, Craig Schutt,
Jose Lozano, and Kate Hackett. Deb is drafting application now and
it is due before next FCWC meeting. The project proposed will look
at sites for possible sediment control and erosion demonstration
projects. Landowners will have to be contacted and contracted with.
Larry Fisher is organizing a natural resource course for Cornell
seniors focusing on Fall Creek. It will have a practical focus.
He is interested in getting ideas for potential projects. The course
starts at the end of January. Sharon will be speaking to the class
in February. Ken, Tim, and Mary will meet with Sharon to discuss
potential projects.
Sharon announced that the water steward position is not finalized
but she expects to sign contract next week. She noted that the money
for her FCWC staff support (from WRC/FLLOWPA funds) goes through
CCE. FCWC can retain Sharon or get someone else from CCE to provide
staff support. SCWC members asked and Sharon agreed to continue
to serve in her current capacity. Sharon will contact the WRC to
get final approval, if necessary. FLLOWPA funds run until end of
July for staff support; CLWN might be able to provide same support
then but interest of WRC/FLLOWPA is to have FCWC be self-sufficient.
Sharon noted that FCWC needs chair and leadership, and at this
point she can only provide support. Yvette deBoer and Mary H. interested
in serving as Chair, but both have time concerns.
- May stream cleanup
- Visit Virgil Creek Dam (summer is best)
- Visit Lake Como (concerns of the group are ag impacts and weed
control, association has existed for about 12 years and meets
2 times per year, membership is private landowners, May or June
is the best time for visit)
- Someone from PA to talk about volunteer monitoring program.
(Sharon will check into this)
- Continue discussion on volunteer monitoring and PA process
- Develop program based on model Steve Lewandowski presented
- Steve Lewandowski noted that Canandaigua sites are on public
right of way
- In Canandaigua, professionals do the sampling with limited sampling
by students
- Macroinvertebrate monitoring is good for kids but control of
data is critical and it's difficult to get significant data (issue
with volunteer data in general)
Dave Bouldin noted the need to carefully consider balance between
involving people and utilizing volunteers versus training samplers
and getting significant data.

NEXT FCWC MEETING: February 1, 2001
Submitted by Kate Hackett
Water Resources Planner
Tompkins County Planning Department
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